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« pada: November 22, 2011, 10:48:38 PM »

There are three types of guiding for astrophotography.

1. No guiding


2. Manual guiding


3. Auto guiding which is the subject I want to touch .  I jump start straight into  astrophotgraphy. To old to dable with visual observation and to know the stars and constellation. But like all photography one must know the subject matter in this case the stars and what is up there. Then how and when to acquire their images and how to post process for gaga presentation. I sort of fill in these blanks as I go along. grin

 Astrophotography too has got it magic hour. The rule of thumb is image when subject matter is close to zenith and like  non captive or wild bird photography when in season  they are in their photographic best. Ah ha I thought this was easy until I learn about meridian flip. Apparently only the most expensive mount or research grade ones don't have to be bothered with it. embarassed

There are urban legends in astrophotography too that came to me and that are still circulating.  The one I have talk about is aperture. I was lost for when doing land photography the most important variable is f stop. In it you can control depth of field, blur, sharpness and with flash  a sense of movement. Thus land photographers will go the extra mile to purchase  the widest lense they can afford for the focal length. Focal length only matters when you can be in danger, the subject can be in danger or you are just too lazy to walk to the subject. grin

I now realise it too matters in astrophotography. They change the name to focal ratio and these low focal ratios  are not call telescopes but astrographs. Very pricey and heavy and certainly not for the Tom, Dick and Henry and they come as refractors, newtonians and RC astrographs.  evil

Also I was told when starting with autoguiding  , a focal length of the guide scope is  half that of the imaging scope’s focal length was a good choice. It was an educated guess that seemed to work based on experience. It works for I took or struggle to take the few that I managed in my three years of learning astrophotography.

This 'conventional' wisdom breaks down when amateurs start using their  9X50 finder scope of focal length 250mm as guide scope. They get round stars up with imaging scope to 1000mm. At first they thought that it was due to their newer more sensitive guide camera, this reduction of focal length of guide scope from 1/2 to 1/4.

Not according to this research / study results here . Focal ratio  matters too. cheesy

You can read the complete paper here

His conclusion is we need a focal length of 136mm but at f/2.8 for the guide scope and for a faster f/number the star will be brighter and the focal length can be reduced.

Now need an EOS adapter for the QHY5 and when weather permits can field test. wink

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« Reply #1 pada: November 23, 2011, 08:20:29 AM »


Now need an EOS adapter for the QHY5 and when weather permits can field test. wink


Wow... it has been 3 years... this hobby really teaches about patience more than anything for us in Malaysia. This is my personal opinion though, but I am sure most here would agree.

I don't think I can comprehend the situation when a 500mm F/4 is being used to guide and a slightly cheaper alternative is used for imaging...   undecided rolleyes undecided

And at the moment, I'm still trying to balance the weight of autoguiding equipments at the moment, which the GP2 is not capable of.
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« Reply #2 pada: November 23, 2011, 10:40:32 AM »


And at the moment, I'm still trying to balance the weight of autoguiding equipments at the moment, which the GP2 is not capable of.


Main imager- Lens  500mm f4 IS ……………….8.5lb
Camera 50D with battery…….                            1.81 lb
Red  Dot finder inc base………                                   1o oz
Auto Guider system……………..                                 13 oz
Dovetail + screws……………..                            say 1 lb

TOTAL=……………..say                                               12lb

which is slightly over 50% of the load capacity of the Vixen GP2 of 22 lb.

Can take full frame of M42 using a 1.4X extender according to Ron Wodaski. grin



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« Reply #3 pada: November 24, 2011, 08:01:39 PM »

Paramount ME also gonna do meridian flip....as well as almost all GOTO equatorial mount.
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« Reply #4 pada: November 24, 2011, 08:27:44 PM »

Paramount ME also gonna do meridian flip....as well as almost all GOTO equatorial mount.

I believe the meridian flip is done programatically in the software like theSky, CdC or MaxIM. I don't think it is built-in the handpad, else my SGO scope will not kiss the roof when I forgot to switch off!  cry

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« Reply #5 pada: November 25, 2011, 07:50:51 AM »

Paramount ME also gonna do meridian flip....as well as almost all GOTO equatorial mount.

I believe the meridian flip is done programatically in the software like theSky, CdC or MaxIM. I don't think it is built-in the handpad, else my SGO scope will not kiss the roof when I forgot to switch off!  cry


Yes, the Paramount ME will stop tracking after an hour pass from meridian.

Which part of your scope kiss the roof? Rare or front?
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« Reply #6 pada: November 25, 2011, 11:31:12 AM »


And at the moment, I'm still trying to balance the weight of autoguiding equipments at the moment, which the GP2 is not capable of.


Maybe you mean not being able to balance as this

see from 5:30 onwards or watch the whole movie.

Ever wondered how to image the ISS. I love his movie tutorial on Imaging The International Space Station(ISS)

Using freewares Virtualdub and the Castrator(ouch!) he managed to image the ISS. Sap sap sui in Cantonese. grin

But now cloudy all the times when the ISS makes its rare local appearance; best is to practice on airplanes when they fly pass overhead.

Post your pictures on FO lah.

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« Reply #7 pada: November 25, 2011, 02:08:35 PM »


Now need an EOS adapter for the QHY5 and when weather permits can field test. wink


Wow... it has been 3 years... this hobby really teaches about patience more than anything for us in Malaysia. This is my personal opinion though, but I am sure most here would agree.

I don't think I can comprehend the situation when a 500mm F/4 is being used to guide and a slightly cheaper alternative is used for imaging...   undecided rolleyes undecided

And at the moment, I'm still trying to balance the weight of autoguiding equipments at the moment, which the GP2 is not capable of.

Maybe you gonna change your guidescope to a finderscope like guidescope....what is the current guidescope you use?

And thanks mymoon on sharing the ISS shoting tips.
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« Reply #8 pada: November 25, 2011, 02:16:59 PM »


Maybe you gonna change your guidescope to a finderscope like guidescope....what is the current guidescope you use?


I was thinking about that. Previously I used the Meade 80mm triplet as my guidescope. Combined with the Megrez and camera, the load was really substantial. Since I sold the scope, I don't have one the moment  grin.  I was also hard to adjust the balancing on the DEC axis coz I don't have the proper adjustable dovetail plate or piggy-back option like others...

Maybe the time has come to consider one.

But there's always an option to guide with the Megrez and shoot with some primes... But then, I have somewhat a backlash problem with the mount. Need an expert like Mr Universe to help take a look...  grin rolleyes
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« Reply #9 pada: November 27, 2011, 10:48:13 AM »

Redzuan

Try ni



Since your setup never go above 1500mm , so i guess it would be sufficient enough.

Kena tanya our 'sole distributor' kita...  grin

I would probably go for this one to replace my outgoing guidescope and my upcoming new gadget..  evil
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« Reply #10 pada: November 27, 2011, 04:12:38 PM »

yes that will intially be OK until you face problems with flexure as you progress and your skills with imaging improved.

another solution will be China made 50mm guide scope complete with QHY5 and 6 point guide rings something similar to the one the sifu use in GEM island. Flexure reduced.  evil

or you can make your own like here . I believe the set up is similar to the one you intended.

or you can buy ready made here with the six point  mounting ring

or go for the ultimate immediately as here but then you cannot blame the autoguider as any weakness in your image will depend in your skill or lack of it.   embarassed

whatever you pick depends on the 3rd party guide software except for the last one as it comes with its own guiding software

read here for that 3rd party's recommendation.

happy hunting.



I would probably go for this one to replace my outgoing guidescope and my upcoming new gadget..  evil

hujan  lagi   cry


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« Reply #11 pada: November 28, 2011, 12:12:31 AM »

Nak tanya apa? Silakan... grin evil

As mymoon mentioned, China made 50mm guide scope complete with QHY5 and 6 point guide rings is good enough.
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« Reply #12 pada: November 29, 2011, 09:28:55 PM »

Nak tanya apa? Silakan... grin evil

Mr Sole Distrbutor.

Nak tanya if you help me with my backlash problem. Mungkin require some disassembling & reassembling balik motors GP2 ni. Kalau u boleh bantu, let me know  grin
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« Reply #13 pada: November 29, 2011, 10:37:04 PM »


Nak tanya if you help me with my backlash problem. Mungkin require some disassembling & reassembling balik motors GP2 ni. Kalau u boleh bantu, let me know  grin

is this for the GP2 modded with the Skywatcher goto. If so they use the Skywatcher motors lah. Is the backlash on the RA or DEC.

Best take your mount to him. Unless dia buat housecall grin

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« Reply #14 pada: November 30, 2011, 12:37:35 PM »

Nak tanya apa? Silakan... grin evil

Mr Sole Distrbutor.

Nak tanya if you help me with my backlash problem. Mungkin require some disassembling & reassembling balik motors GP2 ni. Kalau u boleh bantu, let me know  grin

Eh...actually I also not sure what happen on your mount. I never open a GP2 mount...
Anyway, we can slowly determine the problem under stars...
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