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« pada: January 16, 2012, 07:43:35 PM »

Cubaan saya menangkap M42 dengan cermat telah berjaya direalisasikan pada 15 Jan yg lepas, sama timing dgn tokey FO tangkap Rosette, di SGO Sri Damansara. Bagi mengurangkan kesan pencemaran cahaya di Sri Damansara, IDAS light pollution filter turut digunakan...



High altitude clouds made it really hard to capture faint nebula like the running man right next to this M42.
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« Reply #1 pada: January 16, 2012, 09:48:43 PM »

awesome. Tahniah.

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« Reply #2 pada: January 16, 2012, 11:18:57 PM »

TQ Pak Aziz. still surely very far from perfect... hope to get pristine skies this year for better chances.

Anyways, here is M41 taken when the nebulas are not possible.
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« Reply #3 pada: January 17, 2012, 11:48:08 AM »

Alhamdulillah good shots!

semua shots tu single 30 sec sahaja ke?  shocked
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« Reply #4 pada: January 17, 2012, 01:59:46 PM »

Semua single 30s je... Any more akan washout background. Instead of getting more stars, the stars will actually disappear into the bright background.

Orion Nebula stack of 58 images. M41 is 18.
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« Reply #5 pada: January 17, 2012, 02:14:45 PM »

Semua single 30s je... Any more akan washout background. Instead of getting more stars, the stars will actually disappear into the bright background.

Orion Nebula stack of 58 images. M41 is 18.

so maknanya your final image is

58 x 30s = 29 minutes for M42
18 x 30s = 9 minutes for M41

betul kan?

I guess you labelling dalam gambar tu kata 30s agak misleading.  cool

any darks applied?


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« Reply #6 pada: January 17, 2012, 02:27:55 PM »

Redzuan,
Can you check the histogram? Usually 30s @ 500ASA should not cause washout background. Well, this is true, unless you have several light or air pollution that cause light to scatter.  Even without an LPS filter, you should be able to take 30s exposure at 800ASA or even 1600ASA.

From my Balik Pulau site with the street light across the road, I would be able to get 3 minutes @ 1600ASA. And this is at F ratio of around 6 with my 300D camera. With 50D, which I believe is 14bit data, it should stand longer exposure without causing the histogram to go over to the right hand side (too bright)

BTW, what's the reason you use 500ASA?

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« Reply #7 pada: January 17, 2012, 03:46:52 PM »

Semua single 30s je... Any more akan washout background. Instead of getting more stars, the stars will actually disappear into the bright background.

Orion Nebula stack of 58 images. M41 is 18.

so maknanya your final image is

58 x 30s = 29 minutes for M42
18 x 30s = 9 minutes for M41

betul kan?

I guess you labelling dalam gambar tu kata 30s agak misleading.  cool

any darks applied?


Betul tu, tepat sekali. Terlupa nak buat 58x30s, sebab dah agak lama astrofoto ditinggalkan, sejak awal tahun 2011... Dok sebok buat landscape dgn portrait memanjang.

A few darks and bias were harmed in the making of these photos...


Redzuan,
Can you check the histogram? Usually 30s @ 500ASA should not cause washout background. Well, this is true, unless you have several light or air pollution that cause light to scatter.  Even without an LPS filter, you should be able to take 30s exposure at 800ASA or even 1600ASA.


BTW, what's the reason you use 500ASA?

CK

I chose ISO500 after testing a few settings that best suits the 30s exposure time. I was watching more of the core to avoid it from saturating and also the blackness of the background.  There were some high thin clouds while imaging was done, hence it acts like a big soft reflector for light pollution. The histogram range is actually 1/2 --> 2/3 mark. Hope this helps.

Dan gambar kat atas ni ada sket stacking error sebenarnye. Stellar Registry sket kacau sebab termasukkan 2 frame utk framing... Will update latest one malam ni.
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« Reply #8 pada: January 17, 2012, 08:23:34 PM »

Masalah Stellar Registration selesai~  grin



Many thanks to ShahGazer Observatory in Sri Damansara for hosting the place for me to put my scope and Master William Chin for teaching me astrophoto image processing.
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« Reply #9 pada: January 18, 2012, 03:05:36 AM »

Good reprocessing. Can see better detail compared to previous photo.

Do try to take flat. It will make processing easier, especially bringing out the dimmer part of the nebula.

Also take multiple exposure; short exposure for the core and longer exposure for the outer part. Orion nebula is a very difficult nebula to take actually. I have been taking countless photos of it, and have yet to satisfy.

Do try 800 or 1600ASA when you can.  Am looking forward to see more images from you.
 
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« Reply #10 pada: January 18, 2012, 08:06:20 AM »

Unbelievable the histogram reach 1/2 mark.

I think keep the ISO around 400 is ok already. Higher up the ISO only decrease the dynamic range of the image.
The most important is keep the dark background at the level away from readout noise.
If the center part saturate, then only do a shorter exposure for center part.
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« Reply #11 pada: January 18, 2012, 08:50:03 AM »

TQ CK. Will take effort to do flats when time permits and also multiple exposures when possible. Last time I did 1 minute and the background was almost washout, eating the little stars... Will also try higher ISO where possible (no guiding).

Dunno why reach that 1/2 mark so fast... Maybe coz of new sensor so sensitive to light... cheesy

Will try to try higher histogram with lower ISO setting later, if weather is better.

BTW, yesterday Mr Universe said to calibrate the colors, and here is one with "redder" nebulosity.
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« Reply #12 pada: January 18, 2012, 11:29:24 AM »

Well, well, well....
This the right one...well done!
Have you try to adjust the color saturation a little bit more? That should be even better...hehehe... evil

Great one!
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« Reply #13 pada: January 18, 2012, 04:09:15 PM »

Tahniah. Job well done. Amazing all  from 30 sec exposures.

Usually M42 requires two sets of data due to extreme dynamic range.

Bright Outer core data

Dim Inner core data

Then HDR.

Well, well, well....
This the right one...well done!
Have you try to adjust the color saturation a little bit more? That should be even better...hehehe... evil

Great one!

Can share the processing workflow ke. Boleh buat panduan/rujukan.

Cheers

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« Reply #14 pada: January 18, 2012, 06:37:18 PM »

Tahniah. Job well done. Amazing all  from 30 sec exposures.

Usually M42 requires two sets of data due to extreme dynamic range.

Bright Outer core data

Dim Inner core data

Then HDR.

Well, well, well....
This the right one...well done!
Have you try to adjust the color saturation a little bit more? That should be even better...hehehe... evil

Great one!

Can share the processing workflow ke. Boleh buat panduan/rujukan.

Cheers



Actually the most exciting fact is that the sky condition that night was not 100% perfect. To be honest, the thin clouds makes locating the 3 stars that mark the location of this nebula somewhat difficult.

The standard stacking procedure is executed as per taught by Master William using the IRIS software. This is the most messy step:
1.  Setting the working path/folder where all the files are located.
2.  Setting the camera model
3.  Converting all RAW --> .PIC files (thru CFA) <Bias, Dark, Flat, Light>
4.  Combining all Bias frames make it an Offset
5.  Combining all Darks+Offset make a Master Dark
     ( I skip flat coz I didnt do any)
6.  Subtract all Offset from Light frames
7.  Subtract Master Dark from the above (Light-Offset) frames
8.  Sequence CFA convert to Color PIC file
9.  Stellar registration (one star alignment) <select an alignment star>
10. Add Sequence
11. Save final image as TIFF

Thats pretty much it for stacking. But it creates a huge amount of temporary files. My original 150MB RAW ended up becoming 6.8GB temporary files if I didn't delete any of them.

Only after this comes the easier part of Photoshop. Bear with me, a little bit of programming experience required for understanding the next process:

Open TIFF image

for(int i=0 ; i<7 ; i++)
{
     copy new layer i;
     Layer i.TonalCurve (50% histogram range)     //lower brightness bar
     Layer i (Add Mask)
}

Layer Visibility.OFF(ALL)

int i =0
for( ; i<7 ; i++)
{
     Layer Visibility.ON(layer i)
     Layer i.MASK (mask overexposed/saturated areas )
     Layer i.UnsharpMask ( 80%, 3.0 )
}

//i=7
Layer i.TonalCurve (adjust curve manually & accordingly)
Layer i.TonalCurve (set grey point)

Save final IMAGE

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Hope this helps...

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